we're living in a different political reality than we were in 2004 when karl rove was beating a different drum. i mean, this issue has changed and republicans are changing with it. >> and yet, aisha, you still have as of the last election, it is very difficult to get through the primary season as a moderate or more left of center republican. >> i mean, it certainly is. but you know, i keep going back to looking at the electorate, what do we need to win as candidates in general. i believe on the issue of marriage equality, this has become a moderate issue, this is an issue about civil rights. most people know that, get that. that's why you see rob portman and others say i may be a republican, but i am coming out in front. even claire mccaskill who had a tough time, thought she would have a tough time in her primary come out and say you know what, this is the right thing to do because this is not about just electoral politics, this is about justice and civil rights for all. when we decided in america, hundreds of years ago, we're going to treat everybody equally, that's what the constitutio